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Sir Skullcrasher · Nov 01, 2006, 08:17 PM // 20:17

So how many peoples here got banned for bad names?

led-zep · Nov 01, 2006, 08:45 PM // 20:45

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Originally Posted by crimsonfilms

And if you get a kick out of naming your characters with offensive names you are pathetically lifeless individual.

very true but what some sensitive little flower finds offensive many others will not.
yes some people go over the top but to sensor perfectly innocent names because they might contain a mildly offensive (if at all) reference is just plain stupid, the 'jewel' example mentioned earlier is a perfect representation of 'pc gone mad' and also peacock, now as far as im concerned a peacock is a bird not a cleverly renamed dick joke

ElinoraNeSangre · Nov 01, 2006, 08:47 PM // 20:47

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Originally Posted by Kyosuke

This is why peopleplay on US servers, Euro Servers, Korean Servers, etc..... part of it is bandwith, but culture is another.... the US is more prude than any other country out there anyway.....

Right, but the rules go across all servers to my understanding.

In some ways the US is prude, but I think the US is more unpredictable than anything. There's so many people from different cultures, backgrounds, upbringing... The US to a degree doesn't seem have a lot of it's own consistant culture. You never know what you're going to get, and you might get one of the people who just doesn't care and is thick skinned and open minded, or you might get a crazy overly religious person who wants the world to be santized so that their children never see real life (gasp, the horror!). Said children usually end up as dysfunctional adults incapable of dealing with life but that's an entirely different topic that I don't need to go on about.

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Originally Posted by mrgoat

There is. It's just a tiny bit more work.

You could filter for words not in context I'd think, but there's also a lot of other potential chances for this to go wrong. For instance, you could say explicitly allow "jewel" but what about "jewelry"? You could allow the problem word if not used on it's own, but what about if someone sticks something offensive to it?

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Originally Posted by led-zep

if you get offended by names in a computer game then you are a patheticly insecure person

I'd think most people would just roll their eyes and remember that it IS just a computer game, and get on with life. Sadly, many people don't keep that in mind.

Maxiemonster · Nov 01, 2006, 09:01 PM // 21:01

If they're banning for either of these names, maybe they should ban "I Hate Black People" as well?

Captain Arne Is PRO · Nov 01, 2006, 09:07 PM // 21:07

Borat is copywritten, perhaps.

crimsonfilms · Nov 01, 2006, 09:09 PM // 21:09

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Originally Posted by led-zep

very true but what some sensitive little flower finds offensive many others will not.
yes some people go over the top but to sensor perfectly innocent names because they might contain a mildly offensive (if at all) reference is just plain stupid, the 'jewel' example mentioned earlier is a perfect representation of 'pc gone mad' and also peacock, now as far as im concerned a peacock is a bird not a cleverly renamed dick joke

Which is moot as I said. It is up to ANet and any private enterprise to decide what is acceptable. You bought the game and agreed with the EULA.

And you forget the game has many minors playing and in so many different places across the world (society as in general terms not just national boundaries). What is acceptable varies from place to place with different standards. It would be foolish, business wise, not be on the 'safe side'.

This has nothing to do with the PC police.

If you are looking for freedom with language I suggest playing a game rated for Mature.

This is pointless. Names have such a minimal affect on your enjoyment. You guys are making mountain out of mole hills. Not like you are making some important social commentary with your names that will benefit the mass.

Even if you did and try, GW the game is the wrong place to do so.

Skuld · Nov 01, 2006, 09:12 PM // 21:12

WoW have a clear code, examples such as:

No names of famous ppl

No names from other similar themed games e.g. no Legolases

No religious-related names

The GMs enforce these and it seems sensible. Prehaps GW needs a page like that explaining (I don't think there is one on the site).

ischuros · Nov 01, 2006, 09:16 PM // 21:16

i wonder if porch monkey is acceptable? (you have got to have seen Clerks 2 to have gotten that)
sorry, jus jk. Sometimes these things can be over zealous, but I can accept that as long as they catch the really nasty stuff. Just my two cents.

My Passion · Nov 01, 2006, 09:16 PM // 21:16

Id just like to point out the simple clue that seemed to slip by those who believe that the names are not racial in anyway shape or form.
The innocence of the names would be true if Bard of Ascalon had made the names in 1st or 2nd chapter, however he made the names in Nightfall and what location is it portrayed as? Africa. t's easy to see why the name X T O K E N X could be interpreted to be a racial and inappropriate name.

mrgoat · Nov 01, 2006, 09:24 PM // 21:24

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Originally Posted by Captain Arne Is PRO

Borat is copywritten, perhaps.

It's also a proper name. I don't know if you even can copyright "Borat". Can you get a copyright on "Smith", or "Jones" or "Bobson"? I am not a lawyer. I think you can trademark it, but I don't think you can copyright it.

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You could filter for words not in context I'd think, but there's also a lot of other potential chances for this to go wrong. For instance, you could say explicitly allow "jewel" but what about "jewelry"? You could allow the problem word if not used on it's own, but what about if someone sticks something offensive to it?

Well, that's true, you can't catch every offensive word that has "jew" in it and not catch non-offensive words with "jew" in them, but that's because "offensive" is a mutble idea in people's minds, not a thing or pattern. You can however, pretty easily catch "jew" by itself, and not as part of jewelery, or jewel. People could still use words like "jewhater" and "jewlover" though. People could also just keep on making up new and creative offensive things, as they have done since the beginning of time.

Sir Skullcrasher · Nov 01, 2006, 09:32 PM // 21:32

I'm going to name myself Dan Marino .... hopefully no one will find that offensive! And yes it will be a male paragon with green and white armor.

Captain Arne Is PRO · Nov 01, 2006, 09:32 PM // 21:32

It's also a proper name. I don't know if you even can copyright "Borat". Can you get a copyright on "Smith", or "Jones" or "Bobson"? I am not a lawyer. I think you can trademark it, but I don't think you can copyright it.

Eh that's what I meant. And yes, you can, Paris Hilton is copywritten. :P

Velvet Wing · Nov 01, 2006, 09:38 PM // 21:38

I reckon she is more then just copywritten ^^

Kyosuke · Nov 01, 2006, 09:42 PM // 21:42

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Originally Posted by Captain Arne Is PRO

Eh that's what I meant. And yes, you can, Paris Hilton is copywritten. :P

there are plenty of people in the world with that same name.

Now, there can only be one "famous" Paris Hilton, as all actors/singers,etc.. register their names, but beyond the hollywood scope those names matter not...

Smile Like Umean It · Nov 01, 2006, 09:53 PM // 21:53

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Originally Posted by Kyosuke

It's not like you go into Lion's Arch and people are saying "Gosh Darn Stupid Jews" or Effing N****" over and over again.. Sure it may happen once in a blue moon, but people's names mean nothing... Get over yourselves. Especially when most black people called each other "Negro" and the other word too ALL THE TIME. And it's in fun and joking and just chillin' -- People who get overly upset about this ittle stuffa re the problem in today's society as said above... If yu wouldn't complain about it, it'd eventually go away.. but raising a fuss, just causes more drama and provokes it more, because people like to get a rise... not for racist reasons, for comedic reasons.

Actually, I've heard exactly that and worse in LA and not just "once in a blue moon". From mulitiple people spamming it in local.

And yes you are right that black people call each other certain words. Some black people not most. The meaning now is completely different from it's original meaning.

If everyone followed you in keeping their mouth shut about something they didn't like there'd probably still be slavery and women wouldn't have equal rights.

Ebony Shadowheart · Nov 01, 2006, 10:03 PM // 22:03

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Originally Posted by My Passion

Id just like to point out the simple clue that seemed to slip by those who believe that the names are not racial in anyway shape or form.
The innocence of the names would be true if Bard of Ascalon had made the names in 1st or 2nd chapter, however he made the names in Nightfall and what location is it portrayed as? Africa. t's easy to see why the name X T O K E N X could be interpreted to be a racial and inappropriate name.

Actually I believe he stated that he has HAD these names for 8 months and they are just now being banned. So I doubt he just made these names in Nightfall. lol

Narutoscryed · Nov 01, 2006, 10:15 PM // 22:15

I think they should just give people the oprotunity to change the name they have.. because allota folks dont know what can be considerd offensive..

<--------- i take pride in the fact that my ign is in NO WAY offensive...

Former Ruling · Nov 01, 2006, 10:16 PM // 22:16

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Originally Posted by Redwinter

Borat has to do with a movie with a racist take on people from Kazakhstani. Apparently, some official from Kazakhstani took out an editorial in the New York Times telling people how offensive the movie was, and how it didn't portray Kazakhstanis in a good light.

Token tends to refer to the 'token black guy' in movies. It's race oriented, and when put beside Borat, seems more race oriented. I can see those two as a pair not looking great for ya.

I know what the names mean.

I repeat: Theres nothing bad about those names, there are people in my own guild with names that would make you blush if you dont like his names.

Another case of them hitting the little guy because the big guys are too...Big.

They go on a name-banning spree and take more innocent names like Token, while WAYYYYY more offensive names arent touched. Just like when they Mass Ban Bots, they "accidently" ban alot of innocent people while not even dinting the obvious bot community. If ANY GM at ALL decided to go to Droknars International or the other farm spot they could pick the real botters in a second.

SilintNinjya · Nov 01, 2006, 10:20 PM // 22:20

i hope i dont get banned for having a japanese styled name on my factions character.....

but seriously, if i do, ill get pissed. Kintaru is not offensive. im sorry if i want an asian name in an asian themed game!!!...this does actually have me worried.

hidden_agenda · Nov 01, 2006, 10:37 PM // 22:37

Actually, I sort of swing both sides on this.

As someone mentioned, there is no "freedom of speech" in private enterprises. we, as players, bought the game, even our characters technically do not "belong to us" but is just a database entry in a database owned by Anet / NCSoft.

However, I also am of the opinion that Anet is crewed by some pretty smart folks, so they don't want to get all the players upset. The problem, most likely, is that the filter has some unintended side-effects. For example, in checking for "Jew" it banned the word "Jewel" as a previoius post mentioned.

Perhaps the best way would just be for Anet to keep an updated list of what they're banning somewhere that the players can take a peek. It's less frustrating once the problem is clarified as oppose to the current word-guessing game.